Good point pd, where there's smoke there's fire but also let he without sin cast the first stone, I'm kind of walking in the middle -- If a man hits a woman, she stays hit, and is unable to hold her infant any longer -- I tend to always believe the lady, I think it unacceptable to hit a woman, no matter how softly -- I have never hit a woman -- but I have been with woman who push very hard too! I let them push! He was a good actor - plus he danced a few times in his movies -- not as well as Vladimir I should add -- lol